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Affordably replace your light bulbs to conserve energy

Wed Jun 7, 2006 12:46 AM EDT
science, global-warming, global, earth, conservation, greenvine, warming, environmentalism, conserve
By Ern
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With all the buzz around An Inconvenient Truth, I have been catching the conservation bug. I had been reading through the movie's web site to learn how anyone can reduce energy consumption, and was interested in replacing my old and outdated incandescent light bulbs with compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFLs).

So I was pleasantly surprised tonight when I went to my local Sam's Club store and found this 8-pack of CFL light bulbs from GE. I can think of no downsides to completely switching over to the CFLs. Just look at the environmental and cost benefits of this package:

  • Each bulb only uses 13 watts of power.
  • In my testing, a 13 watt CFL bulb is at least as bright as a regular 60 watt incandescent. (I actually think it's brighter)
  • Each bulb is rated to last 8000 hours, which is about as much as 8 regular incandescents.
  • Each bulb will more than pay for the entire cost of the whole package in electricity cost savings. At 10 cents per kilowatt hour, each bulb will save you $38 in energy costs over the life of the bulb.

The cost for 8 bulbs at the Rochester, NY Sam's Club was $12.73, which I consider a huge bargain at $1.59/bulb. If you have a membership at a Sam's store near you, help out the conservation cause and pick it up! If you don't have a Sam's store, you may be interested in the CFL's that the An Inconvenient Truth site linked to. These are slightly more expensive at 3 bulbs for $9.95, but they last longer (10,000 hours) and are a bit brighter than the GE ones. Even still, you'll more than make up for the cost in energy savings.

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Brownspank

CFLs are great when it comes to power consumption. I usually go for the 8- or 9-watt daylights. You'll definitely see good results when you get your next power bill (provided you don't suddenly change your home lighting habits, of course).

I'm not so sure about the 8000-hour claim; at a regular 8-hour-per-day usage, the Philips bulbs I bought only lasted for over a year, which would be just above one-thirds of the rating. I then switched to GE, and I have yet to observe its lifespan, but one thing I noticed is that (with the GE bulbs I got,) it requires a couple of seconds of "warming up" before it lights up. (Philips' went on immediately after flipping the switch.) Perhaps that'll help lengthen its service life.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 3:44 AM EDT
Ern

Thanks Brownspank, yeah I did notice that initial delay when flipping the switch. I thought it was broken for a second, but it was fine. It's almost like it is on a super fast auto-dim switch. For me, it doesn't break the deal since it is so short, and if it does help lengthen the life of the bulb, then all the better.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 7:35 AM EDT
George I.

I actually think the delay is pretty cool... and it's not like you're losing productivity in two seconds after you flip the switch on a bulb... unless you're really good at getting down to work right after you flip on a ligh switch.

I am a very happy customer.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 10:31 AM EDT
Brownspank

The only gripe I have with the light delay is that I can't do the "flipfest" that I'm used to. I wasn't one to memorize which particular switch (from two panels of three each) lights up which part of the room, so I usually go through each one of them until I get the desired light.

So now with the GE delayed-type bulbs, I consciously try to remember which switch is which. :)

    #1.3 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 11:34 AM EDT
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    kikaiju

    We're slowly converting our entire house to CFLs, with some varied results.

    The first ones were tried were from Ikea, around $4.00 for a two-pack. Yellowish/redish ugly light and they began burning out after only six months or so which was a surprise. The light was being used in a bathroom where it was lit nearly all the time and the base actually melted from heat. Very disappointing honestly.

    Next we tried some "daylight" CFLs from Philips, I think it was. Started with a large round one for about $3 and it produced much brighter and better light than the Ikea lights. So we got some smaller Phillips of the same "daylight" type but they're not a nice as the bigger one. But they are pretty bright.

    Then I found some "Lights of America" CFLs at Walmart, two for $7. These are another "daylight" bulb and produce a beautiful blueish light which works very well in the bathroom and kitchen, not so well in a carpeted hallway where the blue tinge just looks weird. But it's very bright almost like there's a flying saucer on the ceiling beaming down a spotlight.

    Paired up one of these blue lights with one of the remaining yellowish/redish Ikea lights for a bedroom fixture and together they sort of cast just the right shade of light. It works.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 5:30 AM EDT
    kikaiju

    correction, the "Phillips" bulbs were Sylvania-brand.

      #2.1 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 5:34 AM EDT
      Ern

      Oh yeah, I completely forgot to mention the color of the light. I have tried the daylight (incandescent) bulbs, and they are very bright. The GE CFLs were just about the same color as the 60-watt incandescent I replaced it with. I really can't notice the difference. So far, I'm really happy.

      • 1 vote
      #2.2 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 7:39 AM EDT
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      George I.

      Good article. I just bought my first CFL bulb when my incandescent one burned out in my apartment at school a few months ago. I bought the GE Brand bulb.

      Upsides:
      a) Saves energy
      b) Just as bright
      c) Lasts for a long time
      d) Works just like any old light bulb
      e) Really cool shape!

      Potential Downsides:
      a) Takes a second or two to warm up, which I don't really care about. In fact, I actually think it's cool.
      b) Slightly higher initial cost.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#3 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 10:29 AM EDT
      Corey Spring

      They also put off a lot less heat than incandescents and keep your home cooler as a result.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#4 - Wed Jun 7, 2006 8:28 PM EDT
      Jason Coleman

      Using one on my desk lamp at my office, this is a nice added benefit, particularly in the summer. Even in the winter, heat emitted from a light bulb is possibly the least efficient way to heat your home, though (which is why we don't all cook with Easy-Bake ovens).

      I've found the added life I get out of these products coupled with their lower power requirements (direct and indirect) vastly offset the slightly higher cost of the bulbs. I've had better luck with the Ikea lights than kikaiju did, but I typically buy the contractor packs at the big-box hardware store (Commercial Electric or Philips, usually).

      The biggest drawback of the Ikea was they were slightly dimmer than the coiled types for the same wattage and were sometimes too long to fit in come fixtures or lamps.

      • 1 vote
      #4.1 - Thu Jun 8, 2006 12:02 PM EDT
      Ern

      The bulbs from GE are actually smaller than regular incandescents. I've had no problems in any of the lamps or fixtures I've put them in.

      I used up the whole package and replaced 8 of my most used bulbs throughout the house. 6 of them were 60 watts, and 2 were 100 watts. 560 watts down to 104, with no drop in brightness!

      • 2 votes
      #4.2 - Thu Jun 8, 2006 12:37 PM EDT
      Behind My Screen

      Yeah... in my basement I have a drop ceiling with recessed lights... halogens make it a hot box.. I replaced them with florescent and you can not feel the heat any longer.

      • 2 votes
      #4.3 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 11:48 AM EDT
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      Behind My Screen

      Costco has an 8 pack for 11 bucks. I bought 2 and replaced every single bulb in and out of my home...

      They are SOOOOO much more affordable today than they were even 5 years ago. Plus they come on FAST now.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#5 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 11:44 AM EDT
      Jason Coleman

      Yeah, I've not noticed a delay in the newer spiral type (as Ern pictured above) as I did in the older Ikea ones.

      • 1 vote
      #5.1 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 12:20 PM EDT
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      Joemama

      Do they work on dimmer switches? I have CFLs in my house on the most used fixtures, but never tried it on one that had a dimmer. Just thought I'd see if anyone knew off hand.

        Reply#6 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 12:48 PM EDT
        Jason Coleman

        I do not think that they will, since the brightness isn't directly related to the amount of current passed through a filament. I think they'd just come on at a certain threshold voltage. Anyone else actually tried this, though?

          #6.1 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 12:54 PM EDT
          Jason Coleman

          After stating that, I decided to actually read up on it. Apparently, some CFLs do have electronic ballasts that allow for dimming. Not sure of the mechanism, but apparently it is not all and you'd have to look for ones marked as such.

          • 1 vote
          #6.2 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 12:58 PM EDT
          Joemama

          Thanks Jason, I didn't mean for you to go to any trouble. This just shows that there really is no excuse for not making the switch to more energy efficient lighting. And now I can switch even more bulbs out :D. I'll post back here and let you know the results of the ballasted CFLs on a dimmer.

          • 1 vote
          #6.3 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 1:29 PM EDT
          Jason Coleman

          It's not trouble. I'm actually glad to talk about light bulbs instead of much of the other conversations around here sometimes. I apologize for not getting my facts together before saying something that wasn't correct.

          Well, in the same vein of removing people's excuses, I was told that these lights performed badly in "wet" areas (although I never actually read that). Well, we replaced the light fixture in a our master bathroom over two years ago and have had the same three CFLs in it ever since. They've lasted and don't seem affected by the moisture from the shower. Further, it's a very tiny bathroom that is poorly vented, so if they work for us I'm fairly confident in saying that they'll work for most anyone else in a similar situation.

          • 1 vote
          #6.4 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 1:33 PM EDT
          Joemama

          I'm actually glad to talk about light bulbs instead of much of the other conversations around here sometimes.

          Tell me about it!

          • 2 votes
          #6.5 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 1:57 PM EDT
          Ern

          I haven't tried a dimmer, but I do have a lamp with a low and high setting and both work fine.

          • 2 votes
          #6.6 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 2:57 PM EDT
          Joemama

          Sorry I hadn't gotten back sooner. The bulbs that i wanted to replace for the dimmer were smaller, more specialty sized (same base size but about an inch shorter than the smallest CFL i could find) so i was unable to swap them out. However, I did buy the multi-pack of Costco CFLs and changed the few remaining incandescent lights in my house out.

          • 1 vote
          #6.7 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:28 AM EDT
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          K.Hodge

          This is a question I've been wondering about for a while.
          Why is it that they are still allowed to sell incandecents?
          I mean they don't allow cars to be sold that don't meet certain emmision requirements.
          You would think that they wouldn't allow light bulbs that didn't meet certain efficiency requirements.
          It would be good for the U.S (& the world) on the whole, and you could really sell it as something useful by falling back on the whole energy security thing.

          I don't see any downfalls really to getting rid of incandecent light bulbs, can someone please point out one if they do?

          • 4 votes
          Reply#7 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 4:03 PM EDT
          Joemama

          My first instinct would be profit margins and lobbying, but that is probably the cynic in me. So i did a quick googling of the topic and found this article and a link to this ban the bulb site.

          • 5 votes
          #7.1 - Fri Jun 9, 2006 4:36 PM EDT
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          Jason Coleman

          ERN: I came across a blog post via Jason Kottke that I thought was interesting. random($foo) has calculated that if the government (or someone, for you anti-government types) handed out a CFL to every household in America, the energy savings (over the bulbs lifetime) would equate to the energy output of one nuclear power plant. I'd say that's not too far off, either.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#8 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:24 AM EDT
          Behind My Screen

          where is the ad council!!!!

          • 3 votes
          #8.1 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:01 AM EDT
          Ern

          Jason, great find. Thanks so much for the link. We should all try and spread the word on CFL as much as we can.

          • 2 votes
          #8.2 - Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:10 AM EDT
          Jason Coleman

          Hey, here's another great article, this time at the BBC (and also via Kottke.org), regarding reducing the world's energy demand by using efficient lighting.

          • 1 vote
          #8.3 - Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:06 PM EDT
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          T-Rav

          The first CFL's I saw were in the late 80's when my dad bought a bunch (he works for Niagara Mohawk Power/National Grid). At the time they cost about $14/ea, but I'm sure they've all paid for themselves by now. One of those original bulbs is still working in the socket of my old bedroom. They were much bulkier and uglier than the new spiral ones out now, but they did the job.

          I now have a mix of Sylvania, GE, and Philips CFLs all around the house, at least 25 in all. Some were from my old apartment and are about 3-5 years old, the rest I bought about a year and a half ago. I've only had one burn out so far. Aside from the obvious benefit of using less energy, their longevity and heat output (especially in the summer) are definitely good benefits. The slow warm-up period is actually kinda nice in the middle of the night, it gives my eyes a chance to adjust.

          Their initial cost isn't even a factor any more considering the fact that they pay for themselves so rapidly. After taxes, fees, BS, etc. I pay ~$88.80 for ~490kWh a month (about $0.181/kWh) through the ConEd Green Power ESCO (65% hydro + 35% wind = 100% renewable), so I'm really just worried about saving money using CFLs.

          My wife dislikes the hue on some of the older bulbs, but the daylight ones are really nice. Their shape can be kinda difficult to get into some fixtures, but I haven't ever had one that didn't fit the newer bulbs, I even replaced a tiny 15W bulb in my aquarium with one. Aside from that the only downside is that they'll skunk your beer faster than incandescents will (just as with the non-compact fluorescent bulbs). I just wish they'd make fridge/appliance versions and some spotlight ones so I can replace the giant 150W bulbs shining on our backyard.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#9 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 12:09 AM EDT
          Behind My Screen

          They do have spotlight ones. I use them in my recess lighting in the basement.

          • 5 votes
          #9.1 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:08 AM EDT
          T-Rav

          Yeah, I've seen the indoor ones, but I haven't been able to find any that are indoor/outdoor (or just outdoor).

          • 1 vote
          #9.2 - Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:05 PM EDT
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